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Post by Rox in Sox on Thu Dec 24, 2015 7:33 pm

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Re: Official discussion area for star wars episode VII

Post by The Not-so-Evil Overlord on Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:50 am

Oh. People were putting things into spoilers. I'd been avoiding this entire topic until I watched it. But well... Spoiler time it is!

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Half of me loves it, the other half of me hates it. Overall, I really like the movie. But then there are just the things in it that somewhat ruin it for me.
Ray becomes too powerful with the Force, too fast. She skips the entire stage Luke went through in Episode V. She doesn't jump to Luke's power in Episode VI, but she still gets halfway there... In a few weeks, with no training. That's just too fast.
Kylo Ren... I'm just not a fan of wishy-washy angsty villains. I'm really not. It's possible for them to redeem him in my eyes with giving him a reason to be so wishy-washy, but I honestly am skeptical. Mostly because I find it hard to believe that he could have actually done what he's done to get to where he's at. I mean, he seems super competent and awesome at the beginning. He feels like what a Sith Lord should feel like. But then... Then he starts throwing temper tantrums, and you see that he's really just wishy-washy and angsty. So, if they give me a reason to show how someone like him managed to get to where he's at, in a reasonable way, I'll be happy. Even if I don't really like my villains like that. But if they don't explain that... I'll remain rather disappointed with this villain.
At first, after seeing the movie, I wasn't liking Fin much either, because he seemed a bit wishy-washy, but after further analysis with someone who was fine with Fin, my opinion did change. It's not a bad setup for someone who's been brainwashed, to suddenly do the right thing, and be terrified about the ramifications of what he's done.
But the new stormtroopers as a whole? VERY disappointed. Perhaps the height of my disappointment is with the captain, lowering the shields, just because he's (or is it a she? I really wanted that helmet to come off so I could tell...) got a blaster pointing at his head. What happened to the loyal soldiers, who will die for the Empire, no matter what they face? Unflinching, unfeeling, elite soldiers. That's what they're supposed to be. And they weren't. Though, I did like the fact that they're now trained in hand to hand combat.

So, yeah. End opinion... I'm not sure. Part of me likes it, because overall, it was a great movie that I enjoyed a lot. But just those things bug me a lot.
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Re: Official discussion area for star wars episode VII

Post by GyrTaluk on Fri Jan 01, 2016 8:06 pm

I'm kinda going off of what JJ is saying, as he mentioned some things I was thinking as well.

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Rey was "too good at stuff," to quote Max Landis.  I would have been okay with her doing a few things with the force, but I think she ended up doing too much and that made it unbelievable.  It just wasn't handled well.  What bothered me the most though was her just automatic knowledge of how ships work.  There was no need to have her spouting off all this nonsense about compressors and hyperdrives.  That came off as forced.  I liked how it showed her taking off for the first time in the Falcon, crashing around like anybody would who had never flown before.  But then a minute later she's racing through the confined space of a wrecked Star Destroyer?  Come on.  It would have been way better to show her struggle to keep the thing in a straight line, nearly getting the ship blown out of the sky by TIE fighters before leaving atmosphere or something. That still would have been impressive.  Then maybe Han and Chewie could come swooping in to save the day!  But I digress.

The combat/military aspects were a bit lacking as well, but that's to be expected from any movie really.  I'm no pilot, but I know the last thing any sane person should do is engage in a head-on fight between two aircraft.  But you have the supposed best pilot in the galaxy telling his squadron to "Head straight at them!"  Also the planning scene to take out the Starkiller base went by at a ridiculous pace.  "There's a giant doomsday device!"  "Again?!  What are we going to do?"  "We'll blow it up!"  "But how?!"  "It's easy!  We'll just disable the shield and shoot the critical design flaw like we always do!"

Also, is it just me, or did the destruction of Coruscant not carry any weight at all?

I really liked Finn, but I did not like how he was introduced.  It's just like suddenly "Oh look this stormtrooper is really distressed and does not like what he is doing!" without any sort of lead-in whatsoever.  It would have been better if they had hinted at it and then shown him slowly come to reject his actions over the course of the engagement, the climax of which being the execution of the villagers.  But he wanted out from the get-go. After we get through his introduction though, I think his character was fantastic.

Only other thing was that the final scene was kinda awkward and I think it dragged on a bit too long.  Like okay, we get it, it's Luke.  He's not saying anything...  Oh he's going to say...nope.  Oh!...wait, no.  They're just standing there.  Okay and now there's a helicopter shot just circling around them.  And she's just standing there.  Holding out the lightsaber.  Okay...

Overall, I thought it was very good.  I'm only slightly disappointed with the flaws I saw in the film, and I hope they are improved upon in the next one.
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Re: Official discussion area for star wars episode VII

Post by The Not-so-Evil Overlord on Fri Feb 12, 2016 2:43 pm

So, an interesting comment one of my friends made on Episode VII... He enjoyed it, but he hates it at the same time. Basically, he's saying it's nothing more than following a formula to suck the maximum amount of money out of Star Wars fans. Rather than creating something new.

An interesting theory, and I have to say... I think I might agree with him.
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Re: Official discussion area for star wars episode VII

Post by Roddy15 on Sat Feb 13, 2016 9:28 am

The Not-so-Evil Overlord wrote:So, an interesting comment one of my friends made on Episode VII... He enjoyed it, but he hates it at the same time. Basically, he's saying it's nothing more than following a formula to suck the maximum amount of money out of Star Wars fans. Rather than creating something new.

An interesting theory, and I have to say... I think I might agree with him.

That's just a "oh big evil company likes money" theory. Episode VII had to feel familiar otherwise you'd have the same people whining that it "wasn't Star Wars". The plot is the same as IV to bring some comfort to fans who actually skipped the prequels (and there were many). They played it safe no denying it but it was more of a "look we don't want to ruin this or change Star Wars too quickly for you". For some a black stormtropper was too much, imagine the fallout if the plot was completely radical. I think now we have the intros out of the way and essentially the soft reboot is over they will start to explore new stories and new ideas that are yet to be revealed.

It's like the Star Trek films, the first new one was pretty safe and a nice intro to all the characters. It got us settled into things then the next one started to kick up the plot action a notch.
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Post by The Not-so-Evil Overlord on Sun Feb 14, 2016 9:00 am

Hmm. I suppose that's possible. Even if playing it excessively safe. I guess the following movies will be the real sign as to where it's going.
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Post by Roddy15 on Mon Feb 15, 2016 6:19 pm

The Not-so-Evil Overlord wrote:Hmm. I suppose that's possible. Even if playing it excessively safe. I guess the following movies will be the real sign as to where it's going.
If what is being told is true, Rogue One will be a dark, gritty and more serious movie that will be a departure from the PG nature of Star Wars. Vader will be cutting people up literally and using bodies as human shields according to the writer. So really it's unlikely Disney want to play it safe with a franchise that could be making even more money if they experiment a bit.

Meanwhile though VIII filming has begun:
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Post by The Not-so-Evil Overlord on Thu Feb 25, 2016 3:19 am

Dark and gritty? ... I can't really say I'm a fan of them going that route either. I'd have much preferred a new storyline, bringing in maybe some cool new things... While still having the same fun feel that Star Wars has to it. Well... Time to see how well they pull this one off...
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Post by Roddy15 on Thu Feb 25, 2016 5:05 pm

The Not-so-Evil Overlord wrote:Dark and gritty? ... I can't really say I'm a fan of them going that route either. I'd have much preferred a new storyline, bringing in maybe some cool new things... While still having the same fun feel that Star Wars has to it. Well... Time to see how well they pull this one off...

Vader is apparently using bodies (of the dead) as shields, cutting limbs and doing other things. He's obviously very angry at this point though in his life so I can see why the writer wants to depict a very brutish Vader, far from the refined villain that he becomes in IV.

It's also rumoured to be a sort of heist film, obviously though since it's "stealing" plans.
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Post by The Not-so-Evil Overlord on Fri Feb 26, 2016 9:18 am

Ahhh... Okay, that would explain it. And I'm actually fine with them showing Vader before he gained the sort of control that he had in Episode IV. Especially since it really is quite the change from Anakin to Vader. So, an angry and out of control Vader? Yeah... That would be a rather dark sort of story.
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